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23:51 < jmckenna> i thought the ZOO PSC meeting was for now?
23:52 -!- dkastl [~androirc@183.76.138.74] has joined #zoo-project
23:52 < djay> hi dkastl, thanks for coming.
23:53 < jmckenna> hi dkastl, good morning!
23:53 < dkastl> very early here
23:53 < jmckenna> yikes yes i guess
23:53 < jmckenna> does android have a nice irc client?
23:54 < jmckenna> sorry, too many questions for the time in japan :)
23:54 < dkastl> yes, just trying a new one
23:54 < jmckenna> ah
23:54 < dkastl> but slow typing
23:54 < jmckenna> also late in France time?
23:55 < jmckenna> odd, this choice of times (i did not pick it)
23:55 < jmckenna> i guess there is no perfect time
23:57 < jmckenna> djay: is nick coming to this meeting?
23:57 < jmckenna> do we wait for others?
23:58 < djay> he should come, I got him on phone he said yes early today, but maybe he fall down to sleep.
23:59 < dkastl> I don't expect many from Japan today ;-)
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00:00 < djay> well, we won't have quorum then and will have to cancel the meeting.
00:01 -!- markusN [54129da7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.18.157.167] has joined #zoo-project
00:01 < markusN> hi there
00:01 < djay> hi markusN, thanks for coming.
00:02 < markusN> pretty late it is
00:02 < markusN> venka?
00:02 < djay> no venka here
00:02 < jmckenna> no word from him, and he picked this time :)
00:02 -!- Irssi: #zoo-project: Total of 6 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 5 normal]
00:03 < jmckenna> how many do we need for a quorum?
00:03 < djay> I think 5
00:03 -!- Irssi: #zoo-project: Total of 6 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 5 normal]
00:07 < jmckenna> maybe i can give a report on docs anyway, for the sleepy attendees :)  docs are coming along well, through most major parts (setting up sphinx, svn+docs, pdf/epub output, etc).  Worki
ng on API docs now, almost complete (example http://www.zoo-project.org/docs/api/zoo-format-geojson.html).  Then it's just a matter of moving the rest of the content into restructured text.  I think it
 won't be...
00:07 < jmckenna> ...long, so we can release ZOO 1.2 with updated docs!
00:08 < jmckenna> (oh and CSS tweaks)
00:08 -!- maria__ [5708726a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.8.114.106] has joined #zoo-project
00:09 < markusN> ciao maria__
00:09 < maria__> ciao
00:09 < maria__> or better ciao!!!!!!
00:09 < jmckenna> hello maria__ !  good evening i should say
00:10 < maria__> good night
00:10 < jmckenna> right, i'm confused at all of the timezones in this meeting ha
00:11 < maria__> where is venka?
00:12 < jmckenna> i'm not sure
00:13 < maria__> but is it time meeting or I'm wrong?
00:13 < jmckenna> this is the correct time that venka suggested
00:14 < maria__> I hope he arrives because I'm a bit tired
00:14 < djay> it is time for meeting, you'e right markusN
00:14 < maria__> it is so late for an old lady...
00:14 < jmckenna> ha! 
00:16 < maria__> wg?hat about gerard and nick
00:16 < maria__> ?
00:16 < markusN> gerald = djay
00:16 < djay> hey maria__ I'm here
00:16 < djay> gasp, yes sorry
00:16 < maria__> hi!! 
00:16 < djay> hi maria
00:17 < dkastl> in my opinion we should cancel this meeting. almost 30 minutes passed.
00:18 < dkastl> either we start in time or not
00:19 < jmckenna> djay: how do you want to proceed?
00:19 < djay> let me know what you think, I'm ok to go through agenda quickly as you prefer
00:20 < maria__> ok   
00:20 < djay> agenda items was set there thanks to Venka : http://zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/PSC/meetings/PSCMeet12
00:20 < djay> First item : ZOO-Kernel-1.2.0rc1 release status
00:21 < djay> frankly, I've started long time ago a branch for ZOO-Kernel, ZOO-Services and ZOO-API. Then I realize that documentation or small README files was missing
00:22 < djay> after that ... well I didn't get time at all to work on it. Unfortunate :/
00:22 < djay> more than unfortunate, dispointing.
00:22 < jmckenna> djay: can i help there?
00:23 < jmckenna> branch meaning an SVN branch?
00:24 < djay> jmckenna: do you mean helping in branching and taging stuff available in svn source tree ? if yes, then please yes, your help is welcome.
00:24 < jmckenna> i mean help with the readme, or yes help with svn
00:25 < jmckenna> ping me here in the channel and we can work through it together
00:25 < djay> well, I appriciate your help
00:25 < djay> gasp, together mean I will have to spend time also ... it is really tricky thos days/weeks/months :]
00:26 < jmckenna> or if you file a ticket i can look into it :D
00:26 < djay> ok, good we can go this way then.
00:26 < jmckenna> sure sounds good
00:27 < jmckenna> i meant:"sure, sounds good" ha
00:27 < djay> I'm still a "bit" furustrated that we provide application without any testing capbility before deploiement :/
00:28 < jmckenna> yes i was just going to ask about the release process
00:28 < jmckenna> we should have a wiki page with our plan for the release process
00:28 < jmckenna> but that is not needed i guess if we don't want to
00:29 < jmckenna> question is how long will rc1 be available if no feedback?
00:29 < djay> a week  
00:29 < jmckenna> and by 'no testing capability' what do you mean by that?
00:30 < jmckenna> agreed on a week
00:30 < djay> I mean there is no automatic way to test if the kernel and services you installed on your platform are functional or not
00:31 < jmckenna> some sort of a test suite would indeed be nice
00:31 < dkastl> I think if we have a RC already it's anyway late for new features
00:32 < jmckenna> true, just saying in the future a test suite is needed
00:32 < jmckenna> can't hurt to mention now
00:32 < dkastl> of course
00:33 < jmckenna> (if we'll be anything like mapserver, a testsuite has existed for it for years but very few devs use it...so I realize it's an impossible battle)
00:33 < jmckenna> (and maintaining it for new release versions and changes to features..yikes)
00:34 < djay> I think that here was the current status and we can go through the second item, a more successfull one hopefully :)
00:34 < djay> +1 to go to next itme
00:34 < djay> s/itme/item
00:34 < dkastl> +1
00:34 < jmckenna> +1  
00:35 < dkastl> finally some voting ;-)
00:35 < dkastl> Europe seems to be sleeping though
00:35 < djay> yes, I czn understand them easily
00:36 < djay> s/czn/can
00:36 < djay> if nobody disagree, second item : ZOO-Docs release status
00:37 < djay> jmckenna made lot of testing and integrate many things in the documentation using Sphinx
00:38 < djay> I think one point PSC should discuss is the ZOO-API documentation which is currently autogenerated from JS source code using Natural Docs technology.
00:38 < jmckenna> Docs Update:  going well, I've been giving them some love.  A demo site is setup, where the entire site lives in SVN and stored in simple restructured text.  I have scripts now that can be set as cronjobs to generate the html, pdf, epub and move to live site...works well!  sample pdf output: http://www.zoo-project.org/docs/ZOOProject.pdf
00:39 < jmckenna> I recently spent some time converting raw naturaldocs API files into restructured text, and almost complete: sample http://www.zoo-project.org/docs/api/zoo-format-geojson.html
00:39 < markusN> great job!
00:40 < jmckenna> markusN: thanks!
00:41 < jmckenna> pdf: some tables are wonky, but there is some settings i can make for pdf tables in the restructured text, haven't done that yet
00:42 < jmckenna> djay: personally i thought that api-naturaldocs-rst discussion was a few days ago, i was told to go forward with custom rst files, and then if any other api changes happen, the doc team makes the changes to rst files, or the devs themselves make the changes in svn/rst
00:43 < jmckenna> therefore i spent a few days on it
00:43 < jmckenna> but true it's good to mention that discussion here to PSC
00:43 < jmckenna> ok i'll be quiet now :D
00:45 < jmckenna> oh, i want the docs to be live for the 1.2 release
00:45 < djay> ok, you're right many time was passed on that API doc integration.
00:46 < jmckenna> djay: ok thanks, that was my point only, well said
00:47 < jmckenna> (i did provide a simple copy/paste+css changes option, but nick, yourself and reluc opted for custom pages...in fact they are much nicer so i agree) :)
00:47 < dkastl> I don't really get what the PSC should discuss here.
00:47 < jmckenna> ha..sorry just me rambling
00:48 < jmckenna> it is quite fun for me to be so deep in zoo docs...but not the best time to ramble
00:48 < dkastl> well djay also mentioned at the beginning
00:49 < jmckenna> dkastl: it was a decision that needed to be made: what to do with the naturaldocs-generated-api-html files, how to incorporate them into the site
00:49 < jmckenna> we did make a decision already
00:50 < dkastl> I can offer some +1 ;-)
00:50 < jmckenna> excellent!
00:50 < djay> ok, good :)
00:50 < jmckenna> :)  
00:50 < jmckenna> djay: can i ask when do you think the 1.2 release will be?
00:50 < djay> to produce the new workshop material we should use Sphinx also.
00:51 < djay> you can ask
00:52 < djay> :)
00:52 < jmckenna> :)  
00:52 < djay> :)
00:52 < jmckenna> :)  
00:52 < djay> lol
00:52 < jmckenna> only because doc system must be ready
00:52 < dkastl> shall we vote to go to the next point? or vote to ask
00:53 < djay> we have to povide rc first, can be done by the end of next week. Then wait for a week, if nothing wrong happen we can release 1.2.
00:53 < djay> +1 to not vote for asking any question :)
00:53 < jmckenna> djay: ok, that seems to be similar to doc timeline, i imagine nick and i will be css-ing shortly
00:53 < jmckenna> +1 to move on
00:53 < djay> +1
00:54 < djay> the next point is really tasty
00:54 -!- kalxas [~kalxas@46.190.79.225] has joined #zoo-project
00:54 < djay>  ZOO .deb packages for Ubuntu and Debian-likes
00:54 < djay> hey kalxas, impressive
00:54 < djay> just in time 8-)
00:54 < jmckenna> wow, timing
00:54 < kalxas> hi all :)
00:54 < djay> congratulation one more time for pycsw release
00:55 < jmckenna> kalxas: welcome.
00:55 < kalxas> thank you :)
00:55 < kalxas> I had 6 hours drive to my hometown
00:55 < jmckenna> djay: maybe you can introduce kalxas with fullname to the other PSC members?
00:55 < djay> ho yes you're right I didn't realize
00:56 < djay> kalxas is Angelos Tzotsos
00:56 < jmckenna> who recently...
00:56 < djay> which is a new developer with svn write access
00:56  * markusN needs to sleep... sorry... greetings to all here from the Italian gvSIG conference
00:56 < jmckenna> :)  
00:56 < jmckenna> oh!  ok markus get some sleep! :)
00:56 < kalxas> nice to see all the team here
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00:57 < maria__> please to meet you
00:57 < jmckenna> welcome to the team Angelos
00:57 < maria__> pleased
00:57 < djay> and sent an email some times (hours or days, I can't remember well) anouncing the release of pycsw a new "cataloging server" OGC CSW
00:57 < kalxas> pleased to meet you too maria__
00:58 < kalxas> thank you jmckenna nice to be onboard
00:59 < maria__> sorry but it is too late also for me
01:00 < djay> PSC, as markus leave we don't get quorum anymore. I think that the last item can be postponed to the next PSC Meeting for which I would like to propose a time and date before the end the week.
01:00 < jmckenna> that works for me
01:00 < dkastl> ok
01:00 < maria__> ok   
01:00 < jmckenna> +1  
01:01 < djay> no worry maria__n say good night to your mother (the old woman) which was disturbed by you typing keyboard discussing with us on IRC ;)
01:01 < jmckenna> sweet dreams maria__ :D
01:01 < djay> bye
01:01 < maria__> thanks!!
01:01 < maria__> good night
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01:02 < djay> the meeting is close
01:03 < jmckenna> thanks for coming guys...next meeting should be better time for the euros :)