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22:03 < raghavan> Hi Jeff and Gerald
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22:07 < djay> hello raghavan 
22:07 < raghavan> I was 24 hours early for the meeting.
22:07 < djay> yes, ready to start 
22:08 < raghavan> too early to start, see you all tomorrow. same time.
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21:38 < maxi|> Psc in 25
21:38 < maxi|> Minutes?
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21:50 < djay> maxi|: yes
21:53 < maxi|> Inter - om 0-0
21:53 < maxi|> :-)
21:55 < djay> ho, we are looking  at the same thing
21:55 < djay> my children got the inter milan shirt when they won the european league, but not for tonigh ... between any team and OM, I decide OM :)
21:56 < jmckenna> maxi|: you mean derby???
21:56 < maxi|> No change
21:57 < maxi|> Champions league
21:57 < jmckenna> ah
21:57 < jmckenna> i'm so canadian :)
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22:03 < djay> good morning venka and welcome 
22:04 < raghavan> good morning
22:04 < jmckenna> i just poured a spicy caesar (drink, my southern neighbors call them 'bloody mary's')
22:05 < raghavan> Cheers, Jeff.
22:05 < jmckenna> cheers venka!
22:05 < djay> :)
22:05 < maxi|> Hello
22:05 < jmckenna> :) rrrready
22:05 < raghavan> We need one more member to start. Hi Maxi.
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22:07 < raghavan> OK, shall we start
22:07 < raghavan> Meeting page http://www.zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/PSC/meetings/PSCMeet16
22:07 < raghavan> Item 1: ZOO-Project OSGeo incubation Process status
22:08 < markusN> Hi all, sorry for late
22:08 < raghavan> Gerald and Nick are supposed to floow-up on that one. Gerald can you brief.
22:08 < djay> if we take the last meeting updates about status, we should almost ... at the same position 
22:09 < raghavan> So so progress vis-avis incubation. Any plans ahead for the next incubator committee meeting?
22:10 < djay> so status didn't change
22:10 < djay> no, I didn't any
22:10 < djay> did anyone heard anything about GEOS incubation process ?
22:11 < maxi|>  No
22:11 < raghavan> We have a software and a mentor (FrankW), but will have to wait till FrankW is ready and completes GEOS graduation. So we will have to wait for a while more, I guess.
22:11 < djay> ZOO-Project incubation process is depending on its incubation.
22:11 < djay> I guess the same :]
22:11 < markusN> nice circular dependency?
22:12 < raghavan> Nicolas and Gerald need to follow up on the incubation with FrankW.
22:12 < raghavan> Yes, vicious circle, Markus.
22:12 < raghavan> Propose to ask Nick to report about status and follow-up on the mailing list.
22:13 < djay> +1
22:13 < raghavan> shall we move to item 2: ZOO-Project 2011 Sponsorship budget report
22:13 < djay> yes, I think we can move on
22:14 < raghavan> Gerald already reported status about 2011 budget on the mailing list.
22:14 < raghavan> +1 for approval of 2011 budget.
22:15 < maxi|> +1
22:16 < jmckenna> link to email?
22:16 < jmckenna> maybe budget should be posted on a wiki?
22:17 < raghavan> http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/pipermail/zoo-psc/2012-January/000472.html
22:17 < markusN> The OSGeo budget is also online
22:17 < markusN> a link should be ok in the agenda
22:17 < raghavan> will be posted after approval.
22:17 < markusN> ok
22:17 < raghavan> Sorry for not putting the link in the agenda.
22:17 < markusN> np
22:18 < jmckenna> raghavan: thanks for link
22:18 < jmckenna> +1
22:18 < markusN> +1
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22:19 < venka> Gerald: your vote?
22:19 < djay> +1
22:19 < venka> Budget approved.
22:20 < venka> item3: ZOO-Project 2012 call for sponsors
22:20 < venka> Gerald: can you update
22:20 < djay> about the call for sponsors there wasn't any by now
22:20 < venka> I mean what is the plan.
22:21 < djay> Indeed, we learnd last year that it was not good to ask for money at the begining of the year. Indeed many fees for association involvement or ogc membership renewal occur at this time
22:21 < markusN> interesting point
22:21 < venka> I thought GeoLabs and Neogeo will continue to be sponsors. So when are yyou going to send call to sponsors, gerald.
22:23 < venka> OK, gerald can update about timing and plan for call for sponsors for 2012. Perhaps we should send out the call in March 2012 to some old and potential sponsors.
22:23 < djay> indeed I think that GeoLabs will continue to be sponsor
22:24 < djay> nevertheless I'm wondering about actual sponsor which are planning to stop
22:24 < djay> are we really forced to remove them 
22:24 < markusN> Partially related: I hope that FEM can finance some ZOO extension this year again. Awaiting project approval
22:25 < djay> I ask cause I also think that some sponsors contribute in other way than only putting money in the pot and which can be sometime more useful to get help that only money
22:25 < jmckenna> maybe we should put together a wishlist of features and approach sponsors
22:25 < venka> FEM is "knowledge partner" +1 if they wish to be listed as sponsor too (since they are funding)
22:26 < markusN> do we have the definition of both online somewhere?
22:26 < djay> yes we get
22:26  * djay searching
22:26 < venka> +1 for wishlist. BTW OCU is knowledge partner (and also provides IT infrdastructure for ZOO-Project).
22:26 < markusN> so in-kind sponsoring
22:27 < venka> Yep.
22:27 < venka> But OCU can be listed as Knowledge partner.
22:28 < djay> for Sponsor we get :  http://www.zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/Sponsorship and knowledge partner : http://www.zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/ZooWebSite/BecomeKnowledgePartner
22:28 < venka> +1 for making a short call for sponsor by March 2012. +1 for preparing wishlist before that and +1 for removing old sponsor names after 1 April 2012.
22:29 < maxi|> +0, +1, +1
22:29 < djay> +1 for sending call for sponsor on march 19
22:30 < djay> +1,-1
22:30 < jmckenna> venka:  +1
22:30 < markusN> brrz
22:30  * markusN thinking
22:31 < markusN> "by organizations contracting developers" - true in FEM case
22:31 < markusN> I guess I would need the director's approval. ok OT here
22:31 < djay> I'm wondering about the historical aspect of sponsoring... Even for small money, I know lot of old school open source project which keep all the names, at least somewhere.
22:31 < markusN> +1, +1, -0 (too early)
22:32 < jmckenna> it's never worked with MapSever...so I can't add much here :)
22:32 < venka> Surely the old names should be kept some where.
22:32 < jmckenna> but i do like it
22:33 < jmckenna> as long as it is very transparent.  so no one things 'why was xxx funded to travel to xxx and not me'
22:33 < markusN> I darkly remember that Tyler had always delayed sponsors
22:33 < jmckenna> sorry general comment
22:33 < venka> I will prepare a wishlist template on trac. Please add items to it.
22:34 < djay> I whish to get time to help to work on this whish list, indeed I get somes :) 
22:34 < jmckenna> i might add in something on MS4W :)  i like wishlists
22:34 < venka> So the vote is call for sponsor in March 2012, wishlist in March 2012 and decide how old sponsors can be handled later.
22:35 < venka> Jeff: great please add ms4w to the list.
22:36 < venka> I would propose deadline as 15 March (our next PSC meeting) to have the wishlist and a short doc about call for sponsors.
22:37 < djay> yeah !!!!!
22:37 < djay> OM 1 Inter 0 
22:37 < venka> All: OK with the March 15 deadline.
22:37 < djay> 92 finish in one minute 8-) 
22:37 < djay> yahoo 
22:37 < maxi|> Blaaa
22:38 < djay> sorry guys :]
22:38 < jmckenna> ouch.  we riot over things like that here in canada :)
22:39 < venka> Shall we move to item 4: ZOO-Project 1.3 release plan
22:39 < djay> yesw e should 
22:39 < venka> Gerald: Can you brief.
22:39 < djay> in fact I discovered today that some issue are still there with authentication mechanisms
22:40 < venka> The item approved in the Dec PSC meeting http://www.zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/PSC/meetings/PSCMeet15
22:41 < venka> "Gerald to work on publish ZOO-1.3.0 banch and prepare draft release plan"
22:41 < djay> to be brief I can solve the issue for IE9 adding in the ZOO-Kernel some more specific header for authentication when used throught iframe or things like that 
22:41 < venka> Any progress with that, Gerald?
22:41 < djay> yes solved for ie9
22:41 < djay> nevertheless even if it works on android it still does not work on ipod 
22:42 < djay> works with safari
22:42 < venka> Gerald: Please prepare draft release plan (as mentioned in Dec 2011 PSC meeting) and send to PSC ML for comment
22:43 < venka> Gerald:?
22:44 < venka> I am reviewing Dec meeting summary now. "Gerald to propose SVN access to Thomas Gratier on PSC ML. Thomas Gratier to be requested to upload French docs on SVN. "
22:44 < venka> any progress with that Gerald?
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22:44 < djay> as I told you also for a while now wsdl should be implemented but was not. and I cannot see how to achieve it before releasing. Maybe 1.3 can come out and 1.4 will include soap header and wsdl ... but wsdl is important to me 
22:45 < venka> Gerald: Put all that on the draft release plan. Could you send the draft plan to PSC ML by March 10 2012?
22:46 < djay> yes I can
22:47 < venka> Dec PSC summary: "Gerald to propose SVN access to Thomas Gratier on PSC ML. Thomas Gratier to be requested to upload French docs on SVN. "
22:47 < venka> Any progress with that?
22:47 < djay> well, we asked
22:47 < venka> and then?
22:47 < djay> got answer for some help on postgis.fr at a first start, but no progress by now. Sorry
22:48 < venka> Dec summary "Jeff proposed 3 steps: Step1-restructuring SVN, Step2-commit french docs, Step3-modify site structure to support language switching. Jeff to finish step1 as soon as possible and then step2 and step3 to be worked upon. "
22:48 < venka> Jeff: Any progress on that?
22:48 < djay> huge work to achieve
22:49 < jmckenna> zero.  it would break all current structure.  have not done that yet.  if thomas is banging on door to do, we can
22:49 < jmckenna> yes, this is a big things for sponsorship wishlist! huge task
22:50  * djay agree
22:50 < jmckenna> "modify site structure to support lang switch" through sphinx etc.   wishlist please :)
22:50 < venka> Gerald: Ask Thomas if he can start banging on the door and we will see how it goes from there.
22:50 < venka> maybe we can add that to the wishlist.
22:50 < venka> item 4: ZOO-Project packaging
22:51 < djay> for ZOO-Project packaging I can say we made some progress
22:51 < jmckenna> i like packaging ha.   oh? explain djay
22:51 < djay> in fact some days ago I was contacted by a gentoo developper which asked me to take care of his packages on gentoo linux
22:51 < venka> I propose to focus on Ubuntu, OpenSuse RPM (Angelos) and ms4w?
22:51 < djay> so I checked and discovered that I still get my commit acces
22:51 < jmckenna> nodding my head yes
22:52 < markusN> I would also ask the ELGIS ppl from OSGeo
22:52 < djay> so to be pragmatic I would like  to propose to get *for sure*  a package for a linux distribution, I get access and can do
22:52 < markusN> M Baudier is very supportive
22:52 < djay> yes I agree that familiar linux distribution are great target
22:52 < jmckenna> ageed
22:53 < venka> Gerald: Please go ahead with your brief about packging. Markus can you send link to ELGIS ppl
22:53 < markusN> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Enterprise_Linux_GIS
22:53 < djay> nevertheless I don't get any access to there repository, so let me repeat myself, I can make sure we get ebuild for gentoo distribution
22:53 < djay> please remember that gentoo is meta)distribution
22:54 < venka> +1 for ELGIS, it is rom (CentOS) based. So teh Opensuse ROM (with some tuning) should work.
22:55 < venka> More details of packaging plan of wishlist?
22:55 < djay> you can think about providing (commercial or not) full suite of packages and for their dependencies as debian / rpm packages. I did that 6 years ago. Look at me I'm speaking like an old man. Please don't consider this too serious :) 
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22:57 < venka> +1 for full suite of package and dependencies. But we can put more details on a new trac page about Packaging.
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22:57 < djay> hello nbozon 
22:57 < nbozon>  hey friends!!
22:57 < djay> so you are emerging from portage :) (just a joke, we was speaking about packagin)
22:57 < nbozon> hi djay, hi all
22:58 < venka> last item and I leave in 5 minutes. item 6: ZOO-Project simple examples
22:58 < jmckenna> nbozon: good morning!
22:58 < venka> who is going to brief on that?
22:58 < nbozon> dur dur, early morning here
22:58 < jmckenna> ha. i know u are not a morning person :)
22:58 < venka> (nbozon, you are one hour late)
22:58 < djay> yes about ZOO-Project simple example, I would like to say that I was asked some days agos about demonstration of services using gdal transformations
22:59 < nbozon> ohhh my jeff, you were finally right, no sleep !!
22:59 < jmckenna> :)
22:59 < nbozon> sumimasen,
22:59 < venka> + 1 to close meeting
22:59 < nbozon> oh sorry
22:59 < djay> ho, ok
22:59 < djay> so we postpone item 6 ?
22:59 < jmckenna> djay: i saw that request
22:59 < venka> or you can continue and I am leaving. You still have quorum.
23:00 < djay> I think this is one important missing thing 
23:01 < maxi|> Go on Shay
23:01 < maxi|> Djay
23:01 < markusN> "ZOO-Project simple examples "
23:01 < markusN> right?
23:02 < djay> right
23:02 < markusN> perhaps Luca can donate something, I can ask him
23:02 < nbozon> :i am sorry all, got problems to got back home
23:02 < jmckenna> sorry to hear that
23:02 < maxi|> NP Nicolas
23:03 < nbozon> jmckenna, sorry, djay and venka, sorry, all, late
23:03 < venka> Markus Please ask Luca to contibute examples.
23:03 < markusN> good luck nick
23:03 < venka> Bye all.
23:03 < markusN> sure
23:03 < djay> bye Venka
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23:03 < nbozon> bye
23:03 < maxi|> Bye Venkatesh
23:05 < jmckenna> bye all.   nbozon have a good day there, hope the news is not that bad
23:05 < djay> bye all
23:05 < markusN> thanks and bye
23:05 < nbozon> no, gr8 !! dif
23:06 < nbozon> difficult
23:06 < nbozon> sorry
23:06 < nbozon> thanks all
23:06 < jmckenna> k bye all friends
23:06 < nbozon> bye Jeff
23:06 < jmckenna> :)
23:06 < maxi|> Bye guys
23:06 < djay> many thanks for coming
23:07 < maxi|> Forza inter : -P
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00:02 < kalxas> hi all
00:02 < kalxas> I missed the meeting...