14:06 < venka> Hi All
14:06 < djay> hi all
14:07 < venka> We have quorum and can start the meeting.
14:07 < djay> yes perfectly on time
14:07 < venka> Any volunteer to chair todays PSC meeting?
14:08 < venka> If no volunteer, I can do the job for today.
14:08 < djay> nice, thanks a lot
14:08 < venka> Maxi will joinin 2 minutes.
14:09 < nbozon> Hello all
14:09 < jmckenna> hi everyone!
14:09 < venka> meeting page http://www.zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/PSC/meetings/PSCMeet15
14:09 < djay> everybody can take a quick look at the agenda items from here : http://zoo-project.org/trac/wiki/PSC/meetings/PSCMeet15
14:09 < nbozon> hi jmckenna !
14:09 < venka> Hi Jeff.
14:09 < venka> Hi Nick and all
14:09 < nbozon> thx djay for setting up agenda
14:10 < venka> Agenda item 1: ZOO-Project OSGeo incubation Process: current status, request for help in handling.
14:10 < venka> I can give a brief on item 1 first.
14:10 < djay> nice :)
14:11 < nbozon> ok venka, please do
14:12 < venka> ZOO-Project applied for incubation as OSGeo project. Gerald attended the first incubation meeting (I think). Gerald and me asked FrankW if he could be the mentor.
14:12 -!- maxi_ [~chatzilla@195.176.186.37] has joined #zoo-project
14:12 < djay> hello maxi_
14:12 < maxi_> hi there
14:13 < djay> PSC just started, we are at the first item (you can access logs from here : http://www.zoo-project.org/irc/%23zoo-project.2011-11-23.log)
14:13 < nbozon> hi maxi_
14:13 < venka> FrankW agreed but he said that he will take a little more time to finish with mentoring for one other project and can take up to be a ZOO-Project incubation mentor after he is done with mentoring for incubation of other project.
14:14 < dkastl> do you know what qualifies someone to be a mentor?
14:14 < dkastl> are there alternatives?
14:14 < nbozon> no yet it sems dkastl
14:14 < venka> We can either wait for FranW to mentor or choose someone else. Since ZOO-Project used gdal, Mapserver extensively, I vote +1 for FrankW to be the mentor.
14:15 < maxi_> yes, what a mentor should do?
14:15 < jmckenna> or sure you cannot be a part of the project (i had to tell gerald this)
14:15 < venka> If there are any other alternatives, please suggest.
14:15 < nbozon> yes i am +1 too for FrankW
14:15 < jmckenna> or/for
14:15 < venka> Jeff, thanks for telling to Gerald.
14:16 < jmckenna> so to move forward this plan needs 1) an outside mentor, 2) an inside champion to push this through
14:16 < djay> I think we can wait for the other project (GEOS) incubation to finish. As discussed this morning with Jody it seems the project is near the end of the processus
14:16 < venka> What about other PSC members? Gerald you can brief about the incubation meeting.
14:17 < djay> which seems to rebirth after some time O_o
14:17 < djay> I went to the incubation meeting where I realize the number of other projects which need to pass the incubation procedure
14:18 < venka> Fine. Can we vote for mentor of discuss alternative suggestions. I think Nick, Gerald, me voted +1 for FrankW
14:18 < djay> +1 from FrankW as a mentor
14:18 < jmckenna> +1 FrankW for mentor
14:18 < djay> :)
14:18 < dkastl> +1 FrankW for mentor
14:18 < venka> Maxi?
14:18 < nbozon> +1
14:19 < nbozon> maxi_ ?
14:19 < maxi_> +1
14:20 < maxi_> Frank has experience !
14:20 < venka> Great!. Motion to request FrankW as ZOO-Project incubation mentor passed.
14:20 < nbozon> ok, then jmckenna proposed we have a inside 'champion' to handle incubation process
14:20 < venka> Agenda item 2: ZOO-1.3dev status: should we need to publish a 1.3.0 banch and tag ?
14:20 < venka> Gerald can brief.
14:21 < nbozon> i agree to do this, if djay or other do not want to do
14:21 < venka> Nbozon, pldease.
14:21 < jmckenna> yes this goes no where without an champion
14:21 < nbozon> not about 1.3.0, about ZOO incubation process incub
14:21 < djay> In fact I added this item cause I wonder if people are aware of that the lastest ZOO-Project version available in the trunk by now contains great enhancements
14:21 < djay> such as MapServer support
14:21 < nbozon> yes, djay, please brief psc
14:22 < jmckenna> champion would attend all incubation meetings, follow mailing list, take mentor advice and bring issues to PSC. without that champion it doesn't happen
14:22 < venka> nbozon, do we have something more to discuss about agenda item 1: ZOO-Project incunation?
14:22 < venka> incubation?
14:23 < jmckenna> will copy my earlier statement
14:23 < jmckenna> "	so to move forward this plan needs 1) an outside mentor, 2) an inside champion to push this through"
14:23 < venka> So who is going to be the champion from ZOO-PSC. I think the present PSC chair, or some other volunteer?
14:24 < jmckenna> someone who wants this to happen, most likely a PSC member
14:24 < djay> I would appreciate to get help from PSC
14:24 < djay> maybe the issue  is that this work is requested as volunteer work ?
14:24 < venka> mentor should not be from PSC. But champion must be from PSC?
14:25 < jmckenna> venka: mentor cannot be part of the project proposed.   then we need a lead inside the project to push this.  champion or whatever
14:25 < djay> Champion will be somebody which will take care of the Incubation Process and will discuss things witht the mentor
14:26 < nbozon> i agree to do this if nedded
14:26 < jmckenna> djay: correct.
14:26 < djay> so as jmckenna said, I think it can be great if the champion is coming from the psc. Which mean involved in the project
14:26 < jmckenna> djay: exactly!
14:26 < venka> Mentor is FrankW. Who wants to be the champoin to work with the mentor and try to get ZOO-Project pass the incubation?
14:26 < maxi_> but what is about? code issue? or what?
14:26 < jmckenna> so nick would deal with frank and then pass on steps/tasks to PSC
14:27 < nbozon> i am ok to do it, and to brief psc chair about, and ask him if technical questions are there
14:27 < nbozon> and then djay can also discuss directly with frank if it dives too technical
14:27 < jmckenna> good plan
14:28 < nbozon> do psc agree, or does another member want to champion maybe?
14:28 < venka> We can have two champions, djay and nick and FrankW as mentor.
14:28 < jmckenna> venka: that works too
14:29 < venka> +1 for djay and nick to be ZOO-Project incubation team. If djay agrees too.
14:29 < maxi_> + for nbozon and djay
14:29 < djay> maxi_: it is about incubation, so indeed sometime there is question about code, such as "code review". It is a long process and contains many different part, hard to discribe this here
14:29 < djay> jmckenna: maybe you get a link in mind
14:29 < djay> ?
14:30 < jmckenna> +1 for djay and nick to be ZOO-Project incubation team
14:30 < dkastl> + for nbozon and djay
14:30 < djay> +1 for djay and nick to be ZOO-Project incubation team
14:30 < jmckenna> djay: i do not understand your link question
14:30 < nbozon> +1
14:30 < venka> (waiting for djay to reply)
14:31 < djay> jmckenna: it was about the incubation, a reference page, no worry
14:31 < jmckenna> djay: i actually have nothing to do with incubation committee.  sorry.  i can google for it if needed
14:32 < venka> Motion for djay, nbozon to be ZOO-Project incunation team passed. FrankW to be requested to be mentor.
14:32 < djay> great
14:32 < nbozon> ok so we can move to agenda item 2: ZOO-1.3dev status
14:32 < venka> djay and/or nbozon, please brief.
14:32 < nbozon> djay started to tell about the may be 'unknown' features lyining in trunk (awesome ones!)
14:32 < jmckenna> link requested: http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/index.html
14:33 < nbozon> djay started to tell about the may be 'unknown' features lying in trunk (awesome ones!)
14:33 < venka> djay, please brief.
14:33 < nbozon> oops sorry, thought i was in skype and could correct my previous sentence !
14:33 < djay> there is so many part of the ZOO-Project which are unknown that I think I can say unknown :)
14:34 < venka> djay, please continue.
14:34 < djay> so, I think we can start the 1.3.0 release plan from the current source tree
14:34 < nbozon> yes i agree with this
14:34 < venka> +1
14:34 < djay> which should finally lead to :
14:34 < djay> 1) Documentation of the MapServer internal support of the ZOO-Kernel and some example on how to use it
14:35 < nbozon> very good plan to promote the MS suuport yes
14:35 < jmckenna> cool!
14:35 < djay> 2) Documentation for developper of services, to present how to implement services in the different languages (I think about one page pet language)
14:35 < djay> (maybe docers can give some insight)
14:35 < nbozon> yes, what we have for now is too short i think
14:35 < nbozon> about language specific examples
14:35 < djay> 3) the new ZOO-Kernel source code published and released
14:36 < nbozon> yeaaarrr !
14:36 < djay> I even think to remove services from the release plan
14:36 < djay> so maybe should also lead to :
14:36 < djay> 0) Clear Release Plan Definition
14:36 < jmckenna> i think we can link (ha!) the incubation agenda item with release plan status - one of the requirements mentioned in the incubation meeting is what release plan does ZOO follow
14:36 < djay> :)
14:37 < nbozon> ZOO-Services should be coded (and why not contributed) by the community and ZOO tribe
14:37 < jmckenna> currently i don't think there is such a thing.  so we need to follow/develop a release plan (e.g. document on a wiki the 6 month cycle etc etc)
14:37 < djay> Other *known* implementations of WPS are releasing without services
14:38 < djay> wich imply : less functionalities (! / ?) and less maintenance work to be done
14:38 < nbozon> yes djay, i didn't say we must publish with services, i think the exsting ones are sufficient to the community for creating new one...
14:38 < jmckenna> another topic that came up in incubation is having an open PSC (so meetings on IRC, public mailing list)...so all that stuff that i pushed and pushed earlier to PSC (mostly to no success).
14:38 < nbozon> and i get your point about removing ZOO-Services
14:38 < venka> Can we have only GDAL/OGR example services in each release?
14:38  * jmckenna goes into listening mode
14:39 < djay> jmckenna: psc mailing list is publically readable, isn't it ?
14:39 < nbozon> jmckenna, you at least manage to move psc meetings on irc, ah !
14:39 < jmckenna> djay: PSC mailing list is not public
14:39 < jmckenna> no one can join
14:39 < jmckenna> nbozon:  :D
14:40 < djay> yes no one can join, we can modify that but it is readable, isn't fair enough ?
14:40 < jmckenna> phew this is tough here
14:40 < jmckenna> i went through this before
14:40 < nbozon> for me its ok, but i do not know about osgeo incubation comitte criteria for this
14:40 < djay> nbozon: I've heard that somes are moving from irc to skype :)
14:41 < nbozon> ohoh !
14:41 < jmckenna> PSC mailing list should allow members of the community to ask questions, follow along emails, etc etc
14:41 < djay> ok, so we can vote for making PSC mailing list public
14:41 < nbozon> open meetings on skype microsoft, that rocks !
14:41 < jmckenna> k i am getting everyone off topic
14:41 < venka> We can think of incubation process as we move on. atleast we now have an incubation team and mentor. If it is a requirement for PSC ML to be public, we can have necessary changes.
14:42 < jmckenna> so my point is that incubation will require certain things - release plan, open psc, etc etc
14:42 < nbozon> yes, i vote -1 to make it public now, but +1 to make it public if osgeo comitee requires it
14:42 < dkastl> I don't think it will attract a lot of people to join and open PSC mailing list. So why not make it public?
14:42 < venka> No need to vote about PSC ML etc. in this meeting.
14:42 < jmckenna> unfortunately no one listened to me earlier here.  but i am happy if an 'incubation' structure will force you to.  thank you
14:43 < djay> dkastl: I can confirm, let's make it public
14:43 < dkastl> it doesn't hurt to have a mailing list public
14:43 < djay> +1 for making psc ml public
14:43 < dkastl> +1 for making psc ml public
14:43 < jmckenna> +1 public PSC list
14:44 < nbozon> ok , +1,  i follow the chair then
14:44 < nbozon> ah!
14:44 < jmckenna> we are open! :)
14:44 < nbozon> one more vote and we get quorum for this
14:44 < maxi_> this is not in the agenda, personally i have no problem in making it public. Mqaybe next PSC we will have more requirements to fulfill for the incubation process and then we can vote on a series of actions
14:45 < jmckenna> maxi_: true true
14:45 < nbozon> please not taht zoo-discuss has may be 100 or more members, so psc list will have very less i think
14:45 < nbozon> let us see once it is public !
14:45 < venka> +0, we can decide after we begin the incubation project. No problem in making any ZOO related ML public at any stage but that is not the agenda for todays meeting.
14:46 < djay> I think we can follow the maxi_ light
14:46 < djay> so for the 1.3.0 tag and branch, we should first start by working on a clear release plan definition
14:46 < venka> +1 for Maxi's suggestion. Seems to be the same as mine.
14:47 < nbozon> ok, agenda item #2 ?
14:47 < djay> jmckenna: I think that you can be a real asset in this, I think that Markus can be a great help also, we go through ml list to discuss this ?
14:47 < jmckenna> djay: agreed my friend
14:47 < djay> I think for item 2 we can move forward to ml by now.
14:48 < djay> mmm, maybe this item would require a zoo-dev mailing list ....
14:48 < jmckenna> maybe your trac notifications can be sent to zoo-dev instead of zoo-users
14:49 < jmckenna> not sure.  thinking out loud
14:49 < venka> item 2: +1 for publishing a 1.3.0 banch and working on the release plan side-by-side.
14:49 < jmckenna> venka +1
14:49 < djay> venka: +1
14:50 < venka> dkastl, maxi, nick? vote for item 2.
14:50 < maxi_> +1
14:51 < nbozon> +1
14:51 < dkastl> +0
14:51 < venka> I think the motion is passed.
14:51 < maxi_> jmckenna: +1 for moving trac notification to to dev
14:52 < djay> I agree with maxi_ and jmckenna here
14:53 < djay> +1 for moving trac notification to dev
14:53 < venka> meaning we start another ML zoo-dev?
14:53 < jmckenna> it was suggested by djay
14:53 < venka> +0
14:54 < dkastl> +0
14:54 < jmckenna> i am also a +0    (but i hate those trac nofications on the list ha) :)
14:54 < nbozon> +1
14:54 < dkastl> Are the notifications convenient for someone?
14:55 < djay> jmckenna: the trac notification can be removed then ?
14:55 < jmckenna> it's only my opinion
14:55 < nbozon> i think can be great to have zoo-discuss, zoo-dev and zoo-psc all public
14:55 < nbozon> so than zoo-discuss followers have general posts
14:55 < venka> ok, let us bear with this (trac nofications on the list) for a while longer or discuss about options on PSC ML.
14:55 < nbozon> and zoo-dev followers get news from the Trac
14:56 < djay> +1 to continue discussing this subject though ml venka
14:57 < venka> move to item 3?
14:57 < venka> item 3: ZOO-Docs status: new ZOO-Workshop material integration, how to do it smoothly ? How to integrate the ZOO-Docs french translation ?
14:57 < maxi_> +0 several ML make sense if there is a minimum number of follower and of posts, otherwise one only make it easier
14:58 < maxi_> sorry was late, move to the next as Venka suggested
14:58 < djay> always good to hear relevant comments maxi_
14:58 < venka> maxi, make thinks easier? or difficult.
14:59 < venka> things
15:00 < venka> maxi, i did not get your statement "otherwise one only make it easier"
15:00 < jmckenna> have french zoo docs been committed in SVN?  ( i was not aware of that).  I think SVN restructuring (english docs in 'en', french in 'fr' has to happen)
15:00 < maxi_> otherwise have only one ML is more easy to follow what's happening
15:00 < maxi_> sorry for my "spagetti" english :-D
15:00 < jmckenna> the trick will be to modify the live site for this SVN structure
15:00 < venka> +1 to maxi.
15:01 < venka> move to item3:
15:01 < venka> please continue jmckenna, djay.
15:02 < jmckenna> i know for MapServer the logic/code to switch langs was done by a contributor.   (meaning: i'd need assistance to do this for zoo, someone's technical help)
15:02 < djay> jmckenna: we opened a ticket about the french translation containing the link to public repository
15:03 < jmckenna> djay: ok. what is your question?
15:03 < jmckenna> :)
15:03 < djay> http://zoo-project.org/trac/ticket/44
15:03 < nbozon> yes, rst french files are available on thomas grattier github, we have it too
15:03 < venka> ZOO SVN does not have switch-lang?
15:04 < jmckenna> so to answer my questions above: no the french files have not been committed
15:04 < nbozon> it will be very good to include it in /docs, so we can promote ZOO-Project better in France
15:04 < jmckenna> i will repeat above
15:04 < djay> :)
15:04 < jmckenna> :D
15:05 < jmckenna> in short again: restructure SVN for langs, then make magic for site to use that lang structure
15:05 < nbozon> yes, we but thomas preapred all the fr folder, and he doens't have comit access
15:05 < venka> +1 for comit access to Thomas Gratier.
15:06 < nbozon> in fact we just have to copy paste  and commit in fact, Gerald already proposed access to thomas i think
15:06 < venka> if that solves the problem and makes docs (in any language) better.
15:06 < nbozon> am i wrong ?
15:06 < djay> venka: unfortunatelly I don't think it will make the documentation better :)
15:06 < jmckenna> +1 to give TGratier full access
15:07 < djay> what is the meaning of "full access" ?
15:07 < venka> djay: so what alternative do you suggest?
15:07 < jmckenna> +1 to give TGratier SVN commit access
15:08 < djay> jmckenna: I think you can help him (TG) a lot in integrating and organizing his work into the ZOO-Project SVN server as the ZOO-Project Documentation Leader
15:08 < djay> :)
15:08 < djay> ok, great
15:08 < jmckenna> djay: yes this gets back to the restructuring SVN needed first (which will break the current live site)
15:08 < jmckenna> yes lots of work there
15:09 < venka> I am not very clear about this agenda. djay, nick, can you brief exactly what needs to be done to get existing french docs into the zoo-docs.
15:09 < jmckenna> i did outline earlier above what needs to be done.  apparently nick and gerald must answer here instead
15:10 < djay> I cannot say, I think Jeff can brief more than I can do here. He is the architect of the Documentation structure and which makes things working and beeing automatically updated and so on
15:10 < venka> jmckenna, you talked about language switch. I think that is very important to have. I did not understand what other issues are there.
15:10 < jmckenna> in short: restructuring SVN, then let thomas commit french docs, than modify site structure (big task)
15:11 < djay> do you think we can propose some money to TGratier to do the work ?
15:11 < venka> modify site structure to support language switching?
15:11 < djay> no for me, the site structure is jmckenna work
15:11 < venka> jmeckenna: wait for your answer.
15:12 < jmckenna> sorry: 3 steps: restructuring SVN, then let thomas commit french docs, than modify site structure to support language switching
15:13 < venka> How to be get across the three steps?
15:13 < venka> Who will do teh step1.
15:14 < jmckenna> step1: i can do. 2: thomas.  3: nick and myself and a little gerald probably
15:14 < djay> I think that step 1 and 3 should be done by jmckenna
15:14 < djay> jmckenna: ok, you're right
15:14 < jmckenna> djay: yes for for 3 i stated earlier some more magic must happen
15:14 < nbozon> jmckenna: i agree to help on step 3, and yes we'll call gerald for help ! ahh
15:14 < jmckenna> :)
15:14 < nbozon> we must add a langauge menu somewhere
15:15 < jmckenna> nbozon: yes exactly and then make it work :)
15:15 < nbozon> and switch to fr content by magic yes
15:15 < jmckenna> yup
15:16 < venka> jmckenna: OK, start with step1. We can have a vote for SVN access to TGratier on ZOO-PSC ML. I think e-mail bote for svn access is the PSC guideline.
15:16 < nbozon> i think there should be some examples of multi-lang sphinx available
15:16 < nbozon> like in the MS docs , uhh
15:16 < djay> venka: exactly, I first have to propose the svn access
15:17 < jmckenna> nbozon: no problem for sphinx multilang, i am an expert here.  but then pointing to the different docs in the ZOO website structure, is the issue
15:17 < djay> nbozon: I think that TGrattier did this work already, building tree for fr and en ...
15:17 < venka> so let us decide about step 1 today. +1 for jmckenna to finish step1
15:17 < nbozon> jmckenna, djay: ok
15:18 < djay> following last jmckenna sentence, that make me think about multi-language support for trac content (wiki pages used to build the web site)
15:19 < djay> +1 for jmckenna to finish step1 (if he accept to do obviously :) was the question missed ? )
15:19 < jmckenna> i stated earlier/volunteered :)
15:19 < djay> wonderfull, you are great
15:19 < nbozon> +1 !
15:20 < jmckenna> +1
15:20 < venka> +1
15:20 < djay> +1
15:20 -!- tclarke|AFK is now known as tclarke
15:20 < djay> dkastl maxi_ ?
15:21 < venka> djay: you can send e-mail about svn access for TGrattier, if needed.
15:21 < djay> hi tclarke I saw your ping too late last time
15:21 < dkastl> +0 (too easy to give +1 for work done by others ;-)
15:21 < djay> dkastl: do you want to be integrated with jmckenna to achieve this work ? :)
15:22 < venka> jmckenna: please go ahead with step 1. Can we move to next agenda item.
15:22 < jmckenna> venka: ok sounds good
15:22 < venka> Is there any ZOO-Project Presentations planned in the future ?
15:23  * djay just find the link again https://github.com/ThomasG77/zoo-project-fr
15:23 < djay> I don't get any talk planned to present ZOO-Project by now
15:23 < djay> others ?
15:23 < maxi_> +1, sorry i was away for a couple of minutes... :-/
15:24 < maxi_> no talk in the near future
15:24 < djay> thx maxi_, no worry
15:24 < venka> no plans as yet for any ZOO talk in 2011 from my side.
15:24 < jmckenna> venka: do you have specific events in mind?
15:25 < venka> not in 2011. I am still working on djay's new workshop material.
15:25 < venka> definitely in early 2012.
15:26 < jmckenna> i would also like to know if we should plan to attend any code sprints (ZOO team)
15:26 < venka> 2012 Jan I will work with Song-san and Nick about ZOO-Service for flood/erosion modelling, maybe.
15:27 < djay> jmckenna: good to raise this question
15:27 < maxi_> yes, it was a pity in Denver we couldn't work on tsunami service in zoo :-(
15:27 < djay> indeed, we never meet before going outside the building :(
15:28 < venka> maxi: maybe in 2012.
15:28 < maxi_> :-D ... but we could arrange for 2012 if of interest...
15:28 < jmckenna> code sprint in denver was very well attended
15:28 < nbozon> maxi_ : yes it is !
15:28 < nbozon> jmckenna:true
15:28 < djay> jmckenna: yes it was
15:28 < nbozon> but the next one is quite far away from djay and I this time
15:29 < jmckenna> there is a U.S.  C-Tribe sprint in February i believe
15:29 < djay> I still don't understand where was Jody and Maxi during the workshop but seems they was together as we cannot meet :)
15:29 < venka> note sure about code sprint or event. no plans for events from my side as yet. faint possibility of ZOO-project seminar in Poland in May2012, if we manage the funds.
15:29 < maxi_> we were at the upper floor...
15:29 < jmckenna> ("IslandWood Sprint" i think it is being referred to as)
15:30 < jmckenna> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IslandWood_Code_Sprint_2012
15:30 < jmckenna> costly up-front this year
15:30 < djay> I think we should attend
15:31 < jmckenna> I think we all should.  for me it is an issue of cost.
15:31 < jmckenna> but yes i feel i must be there
15:31 < nbozon> yes, but far away. We could be funded by ZOO sponsors, if any
15:31 < jmckenna> far for me as well (probably same flight price for me as you)
15:31 < nbozon> yes, bad location
15:32 < jmckenna> i am not a fan of location either, but, i feel we must go
15:32 < djay> maybe we can stay in our location, dress basketball tee-shirt and switch to Seattle time zone, coming on irc chan and see if it works, but it will not be the same probably :)
15:33 < maxi_> falk, other points on agenda?
15:33 < djay> jmckenna: I think the same
15:33 < djay> maxi_: I think that we should close the psc meeting
15:33 < djay> more than one hour passed
15:33 < nbozon> +1 to close meeting
15:33 < djay> thanks a lot for your time
15:33 < jmckenna> +1 good meeting all!
15:33 < nbozon> yes, thanks to all
15:33 < venka> Agenda item: Any plan for ZOO-Project Packages for Linux / MacOS X / Win32 ?
15:34 < maxi_> +1 thanks to all !!!
15:34 < venka> Agenda item: ZOO-Project Web Site Mirror
15:34 < venka> to be discussed in the PSC ML.
15:34 < venka> Thanks for your time. Bye.
15:34 < djay> are postponed to next psc meeting and can be discussed before though mailing list
15:35 < maxi_> agree; Packeges: this will be of great help in disseminating ZOO
15:35 < venka> Meeting closed.
15:35 < maxi_> bye to everyone ;-)
15:36 < venka> +1 maxi. I hope we can work on the package.
15:36 < venka> bye all
15:36 < nbozon> bye venka, all
15:37 < jmckenna> bye all, snow coming down here, first snowfall of season for me.  snow makes me happy (yes i am a crazy canadian ha)
15:38 < venka> djay: I think the Virtual Image that you used in Tokyo, should be on the zoo website for download.
15:38 < venka> that would help many people to follow the ZOO-workshop.
15:38 < djay> venka: I wonder where to put it in fact
15:38 < jmckenna> venka: i would love to give some training/ visit Poland someday.
15:39 < djay> jmckenna: would be great to promote ZOO there :)
15:39 < venka> jmckenna: enjoy the snow. Let us plan to meet in poland someday.
15:39 < jmckenna> in fact i did talk to milena very recently about giving some training there.
15:40 < jmckenna> djay: venka :)
15:40 < jmckenna> only ideas at this stage
15:40 < venka> djay: I think the virtual disk space has to be increased. no need to sqeeze to fit into a dvd.
15:41 < jmckenna> venka: maybe we should start an email thread on training in poland with milena, markus, and all of us
15:41 < djay> jmckenna: great idea
15:41 < venka> jmckenna: sounds good.
15:42 < venka> djay: important to have the VM on the workshop docs page.
15:42 < venka> I hope the tokyo workshop material will be on zoo-docs in the near future.
15:43 < djay> the material is build here http://zoo-project.org/ZOO-WS-2011-JP/build/html/
15:43 < nbozon> venka: could also be good to start a /jp directory in the ZOO-Docs
15:43 < djay> we have to integrate it into the SVN documentation
15:44 < venka> nbozon: yes, /jp directory is necessary, but that should be possible after the svn magic for language switch is done?
15:45 < nbozon> yes, and after the svn docs is restructured, yep
15:45 < jmckenna> great to have a /jp directory! :)
15:46 < jmckenna> and also CN! (MapServer has one now, thanks to Elvis!)
15:47 < djay> venka: thanks Elvis for that work
15:48 < venka> I think the most important thing now is to have a ZOO-Virtual Machine. Ah! elvis, he will be there at FOSS4G2012.
15:48 < djay> jmckenna: do you think I can simply commit the ZOO-WS material into the SVN in a subdirectory as it is currently or I have to modify it ?
15:48 < djay> can be great to get the workshop material translated to chinese :)
15:49 < djay> we should publish different vm, as the one we provide is always setup with a french keyboard :)
15:49 < jmckenna> djay: i am not familair with the ZOO-WS material that you refer to
15:49 < jmckenna> so i cannot answer it.  if it is in english, yes please commit!
15:49 < venka> CUMTB will also be involved in FOSS4G2012.
15:51 < djay> jmckenna: I think it is near the english language :)
15:51 < venka> Translation is not a top priority for me now. Have and good package with good english/french docs. then we can work on japanese/chines docs.
15:51 < jmckenna> venka: great to have CUMTB involved in 2012
15:52 < venka> jmckenna: I am not as worried about the success of FOSS4G2012 as some OSGeo-Board members are.
15:53 < jmckenna> most north american -based members seem to be giving up on any hope of 2012 and planning north american event. breaks my heart
15:54 < jmckenna> actually it seems they have no hope to give for 2012. they are not giving it a chance
15:54 < venka> jmckenna: your neighbours were not in large numbers at the Victoria meet too.
15:55 < jmckenna> true.  it seems they don't like to travel
15:56 < venka> jmckenna: don't want to, I guess.
15:57 < venka> djay: +1 for publishing different ZOO-vm